Her toughest battle won't be the general election, it will be getting the nomination. The DNC has demonstrated multiple times that they'll fight dirty to keep a progressive from the candidacy.
But she is what the country and democracy needs to fix what Trump is breaking and go beyond. A "centrist" Dem will leave much of Trump's damage in place because they always put the donor class before the working class.
AOC will be 36 (NOT 35) in 6 months and eligible to serve as President long before the next Presidential election. There are three years and counting to make the case, which is certainly NOT going to happen if it's up to the schlerotic leadership of the Democratic Party.
Democrats must get serious about challenging the legitimacy of Trump’s “victory.” There’s overwhelming evidence that they used fraud to selectively disenfranchise likely Democratic voters in numbers sufficient to win all the “swing” states. This strikes at the root of “what did we do wrong?” Hand-wringing by Democrats. All the evidence is at Gregpalast.com.
First, and most importantly, Happy Birthday to Kal-El!
Now, I hope AOC runs because I feel like we as a nation need to have this discussion. Let's DO have a candidate who is progressive and proud of it. Let's DO have a candidate who, to judge from the crowds she's drawing, is saying things a lot of Americans want to hear. Let's do have a candidate who is unabashedly and completely on the side of working Americans, not those who just borrow against their massive assets. Let's do have a candidate who both knows the workings of government and grasps the big picture.
Even if she doesn't make it past the primary -- and I think she will just like (for almost completely different reasons) I thought in 2015 that Trump would be the nominee -- it would be good to have a vocal Democratic candidate who shares many of Bernie Sanders's values without his age and baggage. The DNC would freak out, but maybe a good freak-out is exactly what the DNC needs right now.
The DNC isn't the problem it's her brand. AOC is a self admitted socialist Latina from queens NYC that's manna from heaven for the GOP to run against. She would lose bigly.
Great way to ensure a Mondale McGovern level loss. It's gonna be Andy beshar & a white woman in 2028. Americans are too fvckin misogynistic & racist for a lady/POC-lady at the top of the ticket. We need to wrench the WH away from trump/musk/Putin if indeed 2028 we actually do have free n fair elections. Big big if.
I voted for McGovern against Nixon in ‘72. My vote was the correct vote then, as history proved, and I will vote for AOC in 2028. I will never vote for a Republican nor for another Corporatist Democrat.
People didn’t think Obama or Trump would win, and look where we are now. The major takeaway from Oliver’s article is that politics as usual is out the door these days, and have been for a while. And Democrats appear to lose when they just play things safe since they represent status quo thinking and behaving.
Obama was male and the country was in a recession. In addition more layers of RW MEDIA have been created after Obama. OANN NEWSMAX Joe rogan is a top podcaster & MAGA influencer too.
Socialist in the United States means good ole New Deal Democrat who believes corporations shouldn't be allowed to rampage freely like super creatures. And she's not afraid to say it. And people are ready to hear it. She'll stuff the propaganda back down the right wing social engineering groups where it came from.
I would add she tells people who to be angry at and blame for their very real problems, (as opposed to GOP snowflakes whining about the 2 trans kids in main playing sports or gay marriage or the death of "Merry Christmas") If you don't tell people who is hurting them theyll blame you or the traditional scapegoats...women, jews, muslims, welfare queens, immigrants... Maybe if dems had shouted loudly that 60% of inflation was price gouging or the reason the CTC was gone was GOP and Manchin and tried to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT rather than saying "wall street guys arent bad guys" at the GD state of the union we might be in a different situation. TRUMP KNOWS THIS and he always tells people who to blame for his failures and their made up problems so they never blame him.
You hit on a big factor, and you're correct. One of the biggest mistakes Biden and the Dems made upon taking office, was they never BLAMED Trump and the GOP for the mess they got us in.
Trump and the GOP playing the blame game is smart, and its clearly worked. Its all part of their creating a completely fictional narrative, a fake "reality," about the economy, and really, everything. Dems never own or create a better narrative - that has the benefit of actually being true.
The betting favorites already are Newsom and Whitmer, two who have moved rightward and partially bent the knee. Too bad. I have made it known in my small world I don't think we'll have free and fair elections in 2028 and probably not in 2026. And Trump will be president as long as he wants it and is not dead. But I voted for Bernie and would vote for AOC. And I fully subscribe to retaking back the word "liberal" (and progressive) because that's what I am, proudly, whether I agree with some leftist positions or not.
YES! Either AOC or McMorrow. We HAVE to fight and these 2 have proven to have the mettle to win and they WILL win big. In fact with either of them on a ticket, or pray tell, both of them, would right the sinking ship that we are on now. FIGHT like we have never fought before, the situation we are in demands a strong candidate and it's about time a woman leads the nation.
I'd like it, but USA has sadly proven our patriarchal society will continue with disrespecting & disregarding women regardless of their achievements & qualifications.
Its a lovely fantasy, and I'll be happy to support her vociferously if she was to run, would support her through the primaries.
The other fantasy is that Harris/Walz didn't get elected because they weren't progressive enough. There's a lot of reasons why they lost, but that's not one of them, and that fantasy ignores the reality of what demographics the H/W lost, and lost ground in, and why that happened. And AOC running won't change that.
Democrats need to come up with a candidate WHO CAN WIN. What is the point of a terrific choice whose appeal is limited to the same voters who didn’t get Harris over the line last time?
I like AOC. I would definitely support her over any Repuglican, obviously. I would give her a sincere look against other Democratic candidates. And none of this is anywhere near even the fringes of stuff I am thinking about.
Kamala Harris lost to Donold *rump. That should be inconceivable. And now they are dismantling every protection, guardrail, check and / or balance, and I'm not naive enough to imagine we are going to be fighting on a level, democratic playing field going forward.
I'm not thinking about, How do we move a couple percent of Americans over to our side so we can reclaim power. Power in this fucked up political system means nothing.
If that vile piece of shit can just openly and brazenly defy SCOTUS & nearly every right in the Constitution, the why are we wasting time trying to persuade 2% of people who will be told another lie about democrats drinking babies' blood or some nonsense, and they'll just as easily vote the other way?
So while I am absolutely 100% with AOC, she has a good message, the energy & support...will any of that matter if we have a completely corrupt & broken political system?
What I would love to see? We create a vision of where we want to see this country go, and we start making real plans of what we need to do to get there. Our own 2025 project (barf. i'm getting used to emojis) if you will.
I'm looking for people who want to create & execute a plan to eradicate fascism from the world. If AOC is President for that, great. But we have a lot of work to do if we expect to see a fairly, democratically elected progressive in the White House.
So who are the people making plans to reclaim America & humanity's future? I'd like to work with you.
Her toughest battle won't be the general election, it will be getting the nomination. The DNC has demonstrated multiple times that they'll fight dirty to keep a progressive from the candidacy.
But she is what the country and democracy needs to fix what Trump is breaking and go beyond. A "centrist" Dem will leave much of Trump's damage in place because they always put the donor class before the working class.
So true! You’re preaching to the choir.
Can I get an "Amen"?
Amen!!!
She'll run and she'll win. Because she's that good.
She will be crushed. A self admitted socialist Latina from queens NYC. the GOP will make her into Angela Davis & che Guevara.
AOC will be 36 (NOT 35) in 6 months and eligible to serve as President long before the next Presidential election. There are three years and counting to make the case, which is certainly NOT going to happen if it's up to the schlerotic leadership of the Democratic Party.
Democrats must get serious about challenging the legitimacy of Trump’s “victory.” There’s overwhelming evidence that they used fraud to selectively disenfranchise likely Democratic voters in numbers sufficient to win all the “swing” states. This strikes at the root of “what did we do wrong?” Hand-wringing by Democrats. All the evidence is at Gregpalast.com.
First, and most importantly, Happy Birthday to Kal-El!
Now, I hope AOC runs because I feel like we as a nation need to have this discussion. Let's DO have a candidate who is progressive and proud of it. Let's DO have a candidate who, to judge from the crowds she's drawing, is saying things a lot of Americans want to hear. Let's do have a candidate who is unabashedly and completely on the side of working Americans, not those who just borrow against their massive assets. Let's do have a candidate who both knows the workings of government and grasps the big picture.
Even if she doesn't make it past the primary -- and I think she will just like (for almost completely different reasons) I thought in 2015 that Trump would be the nominee -- it would be good to have a vocal Democratic candidate who shares many of Bernie Sanders's values without his age and baggage. The DNC would freak out, but maybe a good freak-out is exactly what the DNC needs right now.
The DNC isn't the problem it's her brand. AOC is a self admitted socialist Latina from queens NYC that's manna from heaven for the GOP to run against. She would lose bigly.
I could get behind AOC or Tim Walz in 2028 (or them on the same ticket).
If the right weren’t scared witless of AOC, the attacks and lies would not already be coming fast & furious
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8js4bau/
Remember when they criticized her for dancing in a video when she was a student at Boston University? Good times.
Yep, and I remember her mocking them for it with a little dance right outside her Congressional office door too!
Great way to ensure a Mondale McGovern level loss. It's gonna be Andy beshar & a white woman in 2028. Americans are too fvckin misogynistic & racist for a lady/POC-lady at the top of the ticket. We need to wrench the WH away from trump/musk/Putin if indeed 2028 we actually do have free n fair elections. Big big if.
I voted for McGovern against Nixon in ‘72. My vote was the correct vote then, as history proved, and I will vote for AOC in 2028. I will never vote for a Republican nor for another Corporatist Democrat.
People didn’t think Obama or Trump would win, and look where we are now. The major takeaway from Oliver’s article is that politics as usual is out the door these days, and have been for a while. And Democrats appear to lose when they just play things safe since they represent status quo thinking and behaving.
Obama was male and the country was in a recession. In addition more layers of RW MEDIA have been created after Obama. OANN NEWSMAX Joe rogan is a top podcaster & MAGA influencer too.
If Trump remains in office through 2028, the country will be a lot worse off then than it was in 2008.
Socialist in the United States means good ole New Deal Democrat who believes corporations shouldn't be allowed to rampage freely like super creatures. And she's not afraid to say it. And people are ready to hear it. She'll stuff the propaganda back down the right wing social engineering groups where it came from.
I would add she tells people who to be angry at and blame for their very real problems, (as opposed to GOP snowflakes whining about the 2 trans kids in main playing sports or gay marriage or the death of "Merry Christmas") If you don't tell people who is hurting them theyll blame you or the traditional scapegoats...women, jews, muslims, welfare queens, immigrants... Maybe if dems had shouted loudly that 60% of inflation was price gouging or the reason the CTC was gone was GOP and Manchin and tried to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT rather than saying "wall street guys arent bad guys" at the GD state of the union we might be in a different situation. TRUMP KNOWS THIS and he always tells people who to blame for his failures and their made up problems so they never blame him.
You hit on a big factor, and you're correct. One of the biggest mistakes Biden and the Dems made upon taking office, was they never BLAMED Trump and the GOP for the mess they got us in.
Trump and the GOP playing the blame game is smart, and its clearly worked. Its all part of their creating a completely fictional narrative, a fake "reality," about the economy, and really, everything. Dems never own or create a better narrative - that has the benefit of actually being true.
The betting favorites already are Newsom and Whitmer, two who have moved rightward and partially bent the knee. Too bad. I have made it known in my small world I don't think we'll have free and fair elections in 2028 and probably not in 2026. And Trump will be president as long as he wants it and is not dead. But I voted for Bernie and would vote for AOC. And I fully subscribe to retaking back the word "liberal" (and progressive) because that's what I am, proudly, whether I agree with some leftist positions or not.
YES! Either AOC or McMorrow. We HAVE to fight and these 2 have proven to have the mettle to win and they WILL win big. In fact with either of them on a ticket, or pray tell, both of them, would right the sinking ship that we are on now. FIGHT like we have never fought before, the situation we are in demands a strong candidate and it's about time a woman leads the nation.
McMorrow?
Yes, Mallory McMorrow
I'd like it, but USA has sadly proven our patriarchal society will continue with disrespecting & disregarding women regardless of their achievements & qualifications.
An enormous loss & shame.
Trump and his idiot white male buddies destroying the country could put the patriarchy in its grave.
Unlikely. Americans especially white Americans including white women are voting for GOP MAGA culture wars.
We fight that until we win. We do not surrender to it as inevitable. I’m old (73), I’m white, I’m male … I’m voting for AOC. Fukital.
Its a lovely fantasy, and I'll be happy to support her vociferously if she was to run, would support her through the primaries.
The other fantasy is that Harris/Walz didn't get elected because they weren't progressive enough. There's a lot of reasons why they lost, but that's not one of them, and that fantasy ignores the reality of what demographics the H/W lost, and lost ground in, and why that happened. And AOC running won't change that.
Democrats need to come up with a candidate WHO CAN WIN. What is the point of a terrific choice whose appeal is limited to the same voters who didn’t get Harris over the line last time?
AOC TJW 2028
No to that ticket. BESHAR CROCKETT.
No.
She's an activist for Pete Thiel & DSA.
She ran unqualified candidates against credible Dem incumbants in primaries, she voted against Biden's biparisan Infrastructure Bill.
She voted NO to Biden's asset seizure of RU Oligarch's illgotten wealth , with 3 of her squad members & MTG on the Right.
Only 8 out of 400+ House members voted NO, signalling to Putin that his Oligarch's Wealth was safe with them.
Zero foreign polic creds in this volotile world.
Her House legislative record is at an abysmal 3rd from the bottom .
She is a posed, scripted, rehearsed spokesmodel for the very organization who came to bust the base of our dwmocracy.
And what?
Now she's PR'd across Media as tge, "I Alone Can Fix It " girl?
She is DSA. DSA is anti-Democracy, anti-NATO.
YO7 REALLY NEED TO DO SOME VETTING BEFORE SIGNING YOUR NAME TO AOC.
She is the organization who 'Burned It All Down'. Miming the exact words of Steve Bannon.
Maybe do America a favor & leave the sabotours of Democracy behind.
Maybe do some vetting. Il
The leader of this once feee world is not a popularity contest.
We elected a populist Showman & destroyed our democracy. We don't need another
There are far more qualified to choose feom besides another media celebrity repeating what's trending on social media for likes.
SHE IS NOT QUALIFIED TO LEAD AMERICA ON THE WORLD STAGE.
Correct. Her former COS literally worked for Peter theil at STRIPE. I'm very leery of her. WILLIS is more of the problem than the solution.
I like AOC. I would definitely support her over any Repuglican, obviously. I would give her a sincere look against other Democratic candidates. And none of this is anywhere near even the fringes of stuff I am thinking about.
Kamala Harris lost to Donold *rump. That should be inconceivable. And now they are dismantling every protection, guardrail, check and / or balance, and I'm not naive enough to imagine we are going to be fighting on a level, democratic playing field going forward.
I'm not thinking about, How do we move a couple percent of Americans over to our side so we can reclaim power. Power in this fucked up political system means nothing.
If that vile piece of shit can just openly and brazenly defy SCOTUS & nearly every right in the Constitution, the why are we wasting time trying to persuade 2% of people who will be told another lie about democrats drinking babies' blood or some nonsense, and they'll just as easily vote the other way?
So while I am absolutely 100% with AOC, she has a good message, the energy & support...will any of that matter if we have a completely corrupt & broken political system?
What I would love to see? We create a vision of where we want to see this country go, and we start making real plans of what we need to do to get there. Our own 2025 project (barf. i'm getting used to emojis) if you will.
I'm looking for people who want to create & execute a plan to eradicate fascism from the world. If AOC is President for that, great. But we have a lot of work to do if we expect to see a fairly, democratically elected progressive in the White House.
So who are the people making plans to reclaim America & humanity's future? I'd like to work with you.